http://www.opencircuits.com/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=69.140.101.79&feedformat=atomOpenCircuits - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T12:58:53ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.34.2http://www.opencircuits.com/index.php?title=PCB_Manufacturers_list&diff=15413PCB Manufacturers list2008-05-11T14:08:51Z<p>69.140.101.79: List of companiies</p>
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<div>1 UltimatePCB<br />
2 BatchPCB<br />
3 Advanced Circuits<br />
4 Olimex<br />
5 PCB123<br />
6 PCBEXPRESS<br />
7 PCBFABEXPRESS<br />
8 AP Circuits<br />
9 E-TekNet<br />
10 ExpressPCB<br />
11 PCBCART<br />
12 Speedy PCB Prototype<br />
13 YongXinYaPCB<br />
14 Roca Printed Circuits<br />
15 Accutrace<br />
16 OurPCB<br />
17 PCB-POOL<br />
18 PCBpro<br />
19 Custom PCB<br />
20 Myro PCB<br />
21 Imagineering, Inc.<br />
22 Other fab lists</div>69.140.101.79http://www.opencircuits.com/index.php?title=PCB_Manufacturers_list&diff=15412PCB Manufacturers list2008-05-11T14:07:20Z<p>69.140.101.79: </p>
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<div> * 1 UltimatePCB<br />
* 2 BatchPCB<br />
* 3 Advanced Circuits<br />
* 4 Olimex<br />
* 5 PCB123<br />
* 6 PCBEXPRESS<br />
* 7 PCBFABEXPRESS<br />
* 8 AP Circuits<br />
* 9 E-TekNet<br />
* 10 ExpressPCB<br />
* 11 PCBCART<br />
* 12 Speedy PCB Prototype<br />
* 13 YongXinYaPCB<br />
* 14 Roca Printed Circuits<br />
* 15 Accutrace<br />
* 16 OurPCB<br />
* 17 PCB-POOL<br />
* 18 PCBpro<br />
* 19 Custom PCB<br />
* 20 Myro PCB<br />
* 21 Imagineering, Inc.<br />
* 22 Other fab lists</div>69.140.101.79http://www.opencircuits.com/index.php?title=PCB_Manufacturers&diff=15411PCB Manufacturers2008-05-11T14:03:06Z<p>69.140.101.79: /* [http://www.olimex.com/pcb/ Olimex] */</p>
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<div>The following is a user-submitted list of PCB manufacturers. Your results may vary.<br />
<br />
''(FIXME: briefly mention the most relevant "capabilities": "preferred" and "minimum" trace width / spacing / via hole size / via pad diameter.''<br />
''Link directly to the manufacturer's "capability page" so readers can confirm these numbers for themselves.''<br />
''Boards that push the limit of manufacturability cost more than robustly designed boards that use preferred sizes.) For more details, see [[Submitting PCB's for fabrication]].)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.ultimatepcb.com/ UltimatePCB] ===<br />
Best prices around for >2 layer boards. 4-layer boards up to 30 sq in. with 7/7 are $210 for 5, including shipping. Turn time is about 10 days including DHL from China. Service is not as fast as bigger outfits like Advanced Circuits, but still fine.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.batchpcb.com/ BatchPCB] ===<br />
2.50 / square inch + $10 setup, must use your own software to generate Gerber files. Easy-to-use web ordering interface, but slow turnaround time -- 10-20 days. Boards come out very nice -- precut, double-sided with silk screen and solder mask on both side.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.4pcb.com/ Advanced Circuits] ===<br />
Good online design rule checking, easy web ordering interface, and small standard trace/space tolerances. Students can order single PCB's for [http://www.33each.com/ $33 each].<br />
<br />
[http://petertodd.ca/tech/electronics/ Peter Todd] mentions "bare bones prototype: printed circuit boards" http://BareBonesPCB.com/ :<br />
<br />
preferred:<br />
* 2-layer, FR-4, 0.062" thick<br />
* All-holes-plated<br />
* 8-mil line/gap (?)<br />
* Cut to rectangle shape only<br />
* No mask<br />
* No legend<br />
* Minimum hole size 0.015<br />
<br />
minimum:<br />
* 6 mil line, 10 mil gap on inner layers<br />
* 5 mil line/gap on outer layers (?)<br />
* 0.010 inch final finished hole size<br />
* minimum pad size: 0.024" (minimum [http://www.4pcb.com/index.php?load=content&page_id=15 0.014" over finished hole size ])<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.olimex.com/pcb/ Olimex] ===<br />
Bulgarian PCB manufacturer - $33 for a 6.3" by 3.9" board. I.E. cheaper than BatchPCB, but with a minimum board size requirement, and a more complicated ordering process.<br />
''(shipping cost?)''<br />
<br />
[http://olimex.com/pcb/dfm.html preferred]:<br />
* white component mark on one side<br />
* traces/spaces >= 0,254 mm (0,010")<br />
* via hole size: 0.6mm (0,024") ( standard drill tool: 0,7 mm (0,028") minus plating 0,1mm (0,004") ) ; via pad size: ???<br />
<br />
extra cost:<br />
* silkscreen both sides<br />
* minimum track/spaces: 0,203 mm (0,008")<br />
* minimum via hole size: ??? ; minimum via pad size: ???<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcb123.com/ PCB123] === <br />
Offers their own free (proprietary) schematic and PCB layout software -- easy to use, but you are locked into using their service. Integration with ordering system simplifies the process of ordering boards.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcbexpress.com/ PCBEXPRESS] === <br />
<br />
All orders submitted before noon ship the next day. UPS ground shipping is free. Since they are located in the Portland, OR area this means you can get a board overnight to most places in the Northwest US. <br />
<br />
Basic service is a two layer board routed to any size and shape. Two 9 sq inch boards for $60(including shipping). Soldermask and silkscreen triples the price.<br />
<br />
Eagle gerber conversion scripts are provided.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcbfabexpress.com/ PCBFABEXPRESS] === <br />
5 Boards for $60 ($12 ea. for 10 sq. inches) with a 5 day turn time. Good quality work, but turn times can be delayed if you have to correct any issues that don't meet their specs.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.apcircuits.com AP Circuits] ===<br />
'''2 boards, 2 layers next day shipping for as low as 7.95 each.''' or '''2 boards, 2 layers, 2 solder masks and legend one side for as low as 9.95 each. 3 Day Service''' <br />
<br />
Online quotes at http://www.apcircuits.com/ap/calculator <br />
<br />
Full CNC contour routing including plated slotting, oversize holes, internal cutouts for a modest fee<br />
<br />
Instructions for creating Gerber and NC output from many popular PCB programs are also on this site.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.e-teknet.com/ E-TekNet] ===<br />
4 2 layer boards for $18.99 each. Great prices for production board runs. Helpful staff.<br />
<br />
preferred: ''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
[http://www.e-teknet.com/ProductPCB.htm maximum capabilities]:<br />
* minimum 0.004" (0.1 mm) trace/space<br />
* minimum finished hole size: 0.008" (0.2 mm)<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.expressPCB.com/ ExpressPCB] === <br />
Similar to PCB123, in that they have free propietary schematic and layout software, but their Mini-Board service (3 identical boards, 2.5" X 3.8", no silkscreen) is priced well at $51 total, which includes shipping. If you need small boards quickly, this is a good choice, since they ship the next business day. <br />
<br />
=== [http://pcbcart.com/ PCBCART] ===<br />
Fast turnaround (~8days + shipping), instant online quotes. $30 tooling fee, under $2/sq in.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.speedypcb.com/ Speedy PCB Prototype] ===<br />
No minimum order, must wait 24 hours for quote, $9.9 for protos, no extra charge for soldermask, silkscreen, E-testing, very low price on 2, 4, 6 layers.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.yongxinya.com/en/about.asp YongXinYaPCB] ===<br />
quick turn prototype and vol production choice, based in CN, price competitive while quality guarantee, contact for more detail: georgehgm@gmail.com<br />
<br />
=== [http://rocacircuits.com/ Roca Printed Circuits] ===<br />
<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcb4u.com/ Accutrace] ===<br />
<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://ourpcb.com/ OurPCB] ===<br />
<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
[http://ourpcb.com/price.php prototype prices]: 3 small 2 sided prototype boards for a total of $54 + $22 shipping.<br />
<br />
=== [http://pcb-pool.com/ppus/info.html PCB-POOL] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://pcbpro.com/ PCBpro] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://custompcb.com/ Custom PCB] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://myropcb.com/ Myro PCB] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
[http://myropcb.com/fab.html capabilities]:<br />
<br />
4 small (max. 30 sq. inch) 2 sided prototype boards for a total of<br />
$80 + $35 shipping<br />
<br />
* Min. track/space 0.015 mm (0.006"). ''(This looks like a typo -- is it really 0.15 mm ?)''<br />
* 0.35 mm via hole (0.014")<br />
* 0.32 mm inner clearance (0.013").<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcbnet.com/ Imagineering, Inc.] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
[http://www.pcbnet.com/p3.asp capabilities]:<br />
<br />
* min. track/space 0.08 mm (0.003")<br />
* ...<br />
* instant online quote<br />
<br />
== Other fab lists ==<br />
Other web sites with long lists of PWB fabricators:<br />
* http://massmind.org/techref/pcbfabs.htm<br />
* http://dmoz.org/Business/Electronics_and_Electrical/Contract_Manufacturing/Printed_Circuit_Boards/<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
[[Category:Manufacturers]]<br />
[[Category:Suppliers]]</div>69.140.101.79http://www.opencircuits.com/index.php?title=PCB_Manufacturers&diff=15410PCB Manufacturers2008-05-11T14:02:26Z<p>69.140.101.79: </p>
<hr />
<div>The following is a user-submitted list of PCB manufacturers. Your results may vary.<br />
<br />
''(FIXME: briefly mention the most relevant "capabilities": "preferred" and "minimum" trace width / spacing / via hole size / via pad diameter.''<br />
''Link directly to the manufacturer's "capability page" so readers can confirm these numbers for themselves.''<br />
''Boards that push the limit of manufacturability cost more than robustly designed boards that use preferred sizes.) For more details, see [[Submitting PCB's for fabrication]].)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.ultimatepcb.com/ UltimatePCB] ===<br />
Best prices around for >2 layer boards. 4-layer boards up to 30 sq in. with 7/7 are $210 for 5, including shipping. Turn time is about 10 days including DHL from China. Service is not as fast as bigger outfits like Advanced Circuits, but still fine.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.batchpcb.com/ BatchPCB] ===<br />
2.50 / square inch + $10 setup, must use your own software to generate Gerber files. Easy-to-use web ordering interface, but slow turnaround time -- 10-20 days. Boards come out very nice -- precut, double-sided with silk screen and solder mask on both side.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.4pcb.com/ Advanced Circuits] ===<br />
Good online design rule checking, easy web ordering interface, and small standard trace/space tolerances. Students can order single PCB's for [http://www.33each.com/ $33 each].<br />
<br />
[http://petertodd.ca/tech/electronics/ Peter Todd] mentions "bare bones prototype: printed circuit boards" http://BareBonesPCB.com/ :<br />
<br />
preferred:<br />
* 2-layer, FR-4, 0.062" thick<br />
* All-holes-plated<br />
* 8-mil line/gap (?)<br />
* Cut to rectangle shape only<br />
* No mask<br />
* No legend<br />
* Minimum hole size 0.015<br />
<br />
minimum:<br />
* 6 mil line, 10 mil gap on inner layers<br />
* 5 mil line/gap on outer layers (?)<br />
* 0.010 inch final finished hole size<br />
* minimum pad size: 0.024" (minimum [http://www.4pcb.com/index.php?load=content&page_id=15 0.014" over finished hole size ])<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.olimex.com/pcb/ Olimex] ===<br />
Bulgarian PCB manufacturer - $33 for a 6.3" by 3.9" board. I.E. cheaper than BatchPCB, but with a minimum board size requirement, and a more complicated ordering process.<br />
''(shipping cost?)''<br />
<br />
[http://olimex.com/pcb/dfm.html preferred]:<br />
* white component mark on one side<br />
* traces/spaces >= 0,254 mm (0,010")<br />
* via hole size: 0.6mm (0,024") ( standard drill tool: 0,7 mm (0,028") minus plating 0,1mm (0,004") ) ; via pad size: ???<br />
<br />
extra cost:<br />
* silkscreen both sides<br />
* minimum track/spaces: 0,203 mm (0,008")<br />
* minimum via hole size: ??? ; minimum via pad size: ???<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcb123.com/ PCB123] === <br />
Offers their own free (proprietary) schematic and PCB layout software -- easy to use, but you are locked into using their service. Integration with ordering system simplifies the process of ordering boards.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcbexpress.com/ PCBEXPRESS] === <br />
<br />
All orders submitted before noon ship the next day. UPS ground shipping is free. Since they are located in the Portland, OR area this means you can get a board overnight to most places in the Northwest US. <br />
<br />
Basic service is a two layer board routed to any size and shape. Two 9 sq inch boards for $60(including shipping). Soldermask and silkscreen triples the price.<br />
<br />
Eagle gerber conversion scripts are provided.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcbfabexpress.com/ PCBFABEXPRESS] === <br />
5 Boards for $60 ($12 ea. for 10 sq. inches) with a 5 day turn time. Good quality work, but turn times can be delayed if you have to correct any issues that don't meet their specs.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.apcircuits.com AP Circuits] ===<br />
'''2 boards, 2 layers next day shipping for as low as 7.95 each.''' or '''2 boards, 2 layers, 2 solder masks and legend one side for as low as 9.95 each. 3 Day Service''' <br />
<br />
Online quotes at http://www.apcircuits.com/ap/calculator <br />
<br />
Full CNC contour routing including plated slotting, oversize holes, internal cutouts for a modest fee<br />
<br />
Instructions for creating Gerber and NC output from many popular PCB programs are also on this site.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.e-teknet.com/ E-TekNet] ===<br />
4 2 layer boards for $18.99 each. Great prices for production board runs. Helpful staff.<br />
<br />
preferred: ''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
[http://www.e-teknet.com/ProductPCB.htm maximum capabilities]:<br />
* minimum 0.004" (0.1 mm) trace/space<br />
* minimum finished hole size: 0.008" (0.2 mm)<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.expressPCB.com/ ExpressPCB] === <br />
Similar to PCB123, in that they have free propietary schematic and layout software, but their Mini-Board service (3 identical boards, 2.5" X 3.8", no silkscreen) is priced well at $51 total, which includes shipping. If you need small boards quickly, this is a good choice, since they ship the next business day. <br />
<br />
=== [http://pcbcart.com/ PCBCART] ===<br />
Fast turnaround (~8days + shipping), instant online quotes. $30 tooling fee, under $2/sq in.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.speedypcb.com/ Speedy PCB Prototype] ===<br />
No minimum order, must wait 24 hours for quote, $9.9 for protos, no extra charge for soldermask, silkscreen, E-testing, very low price on 2, 4, 6 layers.<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.yongxinya.com/en/about.asp YongXinYaPCB] ===<br />
quick turn prototype and vol production choice, based in CN, price competitive while quality guarantee, contact for more detail: georgehgm@gmail.com<br />
<br />
=== [http://rocacircuits.com/ Roca Printed Circuits] ===<br />
<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcb4u.com/ Accutrace] ===<br />
<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://ourpcb.com/ OurPCB] ===<br />
<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
[http://ourpcb.com/price.php prototype prices]: 3 small 2 sided prototype boards for a total of $54 + $22 shipping.<br />
<br />
=== [http://pcb-pool.com/ppus/info.html PCB-POOL] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://pcbpro.com/ PCBpro] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://custompcb.com/ Custom PCB] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
=== [http://myropcb.com/ Myro PCB] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
[http://myropcb.com/fab.html capabilities]:<br />
<br />
4 small (max. 30 sq. inch) 2 sided prototype boards for a total of<br />
$80 + $35 shipping<br />
<br />
* Min. track/space 0.015 mm (0.006"). ''(This looks like a typo -- is it really 0.15 mm ?)''<br />
* 0.35 mm via hole (0.014")<br />
* 0.32 mm inner clearance (0.013").<br />
<br />
=== [http://www.pcbnet.com/ Imagineering, Inc.] ===<br />
''(FIXME:)''<br />
<br />
[http://www.pcbnet.com/p3.asp capabilities]:<br />
<br />
* min. track/space 0.08 mm (0.003")<br />
* ...<br />
* instant online quote<br />
<br />
== Other fab lists ==<br />
Other web sites with long lists of PWB fabricators:<br />
* http://massmind.org/techref/pcbfabs.htm<br />
* http://dmoz.org/Business/Electronics_and_Electrical/Contract_Manufacturing/Printed_Circuit_Boards/<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
[[Category:Manufacturers]]<br />
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<div>Open Circuits is a wiki for sharing [[open source electronics]] knowledge, schematics, board layouts, ports and parts libraries. This include open hardware [[Music Player]]s, [[atomic microscope]]s, [[PC]], [[PDA]] and [[Open Mobile Gadgets|mobile phone]]s, and [[battery|batteries]]. Please help us to build this resource by submitting your component descriptions, projects, techniques, and PCB footprints.<br />
<br />
== [[Projects]] and [[Ideas]] ==<br />
Descriptions, instructions, board layouts, and other documentation for electronics<br />
* [[projects]] and <br />
* [[ideas]].<br />
<br />
== [[Components]] ==<br />
Lists of components, where to purchase them, how to use them. For many components there are links to projects using that particular component, this is especially true for microcontrollers, for example follow the links down to PIC microcontrollers and you will find many project links as well as tutorials.....<br />
<br />
== [[Basic Circuits and Circuit Building Blocks ]] ==<br />
Circuits you will use over and over.<br />
<br />
== [[Techniques]] ==<br />
How to do things.<br />
<br />
== [[Tutorials]] ==<br />
How to understand and plan what you are doing. These are for general theory, more specific information is linked to its topic.<br />
<br />
== [[PCB Footprints]] ==<br />
Don't reinvent the wheel. Known working open PCB footprints for various components.<br />
<br />
== [[Got A Blog, Wiki or Website?]] ==<br />
Link to it here.<br />
<br />
== [[Got a Technical Question?]] ==<br />
Perhaps it will be answered, perhaps not. Google for it first in the spirt of RTFM. Please do not ask us to do a school project for you.<br />
<br />
== [[Got A Blog or Website?]] ==<br />
Link to it here.<br />
<br />
== [[Meta Open Source ]] ==<br />
Not projects or information on projects, but stuff about the open source movement ( mostly hardware ) itself.<br />
<br />
== Help Us Make Open Circuits Better ==<br />
<br />
What are we:<br />
<br />
Looks like we are defining this by way of who contributes and what. I ( [[russ_hensel]] ) am a new member so may or may not have it right.<br />
This is what I think:<br />
<br />
*An introduction to Electronic theory, suitable for the hobbiest.<br />
<br />
*Guide to locating and using components and tools.<br />
<br />
*Details on how to build various projects.<br />
<br />
*Building some sense of community amoung we builders.<br />
<br />
There are two means of carrying this out:<br />
<br />
*Write material for the site or<br />
<br />
*Link to material you may have written or have located on the web. There is so much stuff on the web that lets not write it here unless it is at least somewhat unique. Otherwise why not just link to it<br />
<br />
What do you think, discuss it here if very general, else on the discussion page ( link at top of page ).<br />
<br />
See also:<br />
<br />
*[[We love volunteers]]<br />
*[[Help:contents]]<br />
*[[Spam]] What should we do about it, it is a real problem now ( Feb 08 ).<br />
<br />
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<div>Open Circuits is a wiki for sharing [[open source electronics]] knowledge, schematics, board layouts, ports and parts libraries. This include open hardware [[Music Player]]s, [[atomic microscope]]s, [[PC]], [[PDA]] and [[Open Mobile Gadgets|mobile phone]]s, and [[battery|batteries]]. Please help us to build this resource by submitting your component descriptions, projects, techniques, and PCB footprints.<br />
<br />
== [[Projects]] and [[Ideas]] ==<br />
Descriptions, instructions, board layouts, and other documentation for electronics<br />
* [[projects]] and <br />
* [[ideas]].<br />
* [[idiots]]<br />
<br />
== [[Components]] ==<br />
Lists of components, where to purchase them, how to use them. For many components there are links to projects using that particular component, this is especially true for microcontrollers, for example follow the links down to PIC microcontrollers and you will find many project links as well as tutorials.....<br />
<br />
== [[Basic Circuits and Circuit Building Blocks ]] ==<br />
Circuits you will use over and over.<br />
<br />
== [[Techniques]] ==<br />
How to do things.<br />
<br />
== [[Tutorials]] ==<br />
How to understand and plan what you are doing. These are for general theory, more specific information is linked to its topic.<br />
<br />
== [[PCB Footprints]] ==<br />
Don't reinvent the wheel. Known working open PCB footprints for various components.<br />
<br />
== [[Got A Blog, Wiki or Website?]] ==<br />
Link to it here.<br />
<br />
== [[Got a Technical Question?]] ==<br />
Perhaps it will be answered, perhaps not. Google for it first in the spirt of RTFM. Please do not ask us to do a school project for you.<br />
<br />
== [[Got A Blog or Website?]] ==<br />
Link to it here.<br />
<br />
== [[Meta Open Source ]] ==<br />
Not projects or information on projects, but stuff about the open source movement ( mostly hardware ) itself.<br />
<br />
== Help Us Make Open Circuits Better ==<br />
<br />
What are we:<br />
<br />
Looks like we are defining this by way of who contributes and what. I ( [[russ_hensel]] ) am a new member so may or may not have it right.<br />
This is what I think:<br />
<br />
*An introduction to Electronic theory, suitable for the hobbiest.<br />
<br />
*Guide to locating and using components and tools.<br />
<br />
*Details on how to build various projects.<br />
<br />
*Building some sense of community amoung we builders.<br />
<br />
There are two means of carrying this out:<br />
<br />
*Write material for the site or<br />
<br />
*Link to material you may have written or have located on the web. There is so much stuff on the web that lets not write it here unless it is at least somewhat unique. Otherwise why not just link to it<br />
<br />
What do you think, discuss it here if very general, else on the discussion page ( link at top of page ).<br />
<br />
See also:<br />
<br />
*[[We love volunteers]]<br />
*[[Help:contents]]<br />
*[[Spam]] What should we do about it, it is a real problem now ( Feb 08 ).<br />
<br />
<br />
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